"Jews is not a term used in the Bible to describe Judah and Benjamin. It was a term given a secondary meaning in the 18th century to assert a race of people as being the children of Israel of the Bible.
Jewish Encyclopedia states: "Edom is in modern Jewry."
There is only one nation in the world that can prove ancestral ties with Edom, and the Jews themselves claim that dubious distinction."
This still doesn't make sense to me. The word "Jew" was
given a secondary meaning or it is an invented word? Is it invented or reinvented? Where did it come from then? Does it mean Judah? In my experience, statements that are considered this confusing, wandering and inconsistently phrased are considered "anti-Semitic" by anti-racism groups. Why does someone being a "Jew" mean they are both not a Jew and also guilty of dubious claims? This is not a strong and clear argument, and there is no reason not to be extremely specific and as well-spoken as possible when talking about identity, and claims of identity.
Come to think of it, how does the word "Jew" relate to the word jewelry?
Anyway here's another brand of racism, which is kinda fun from the perspective of its target:
"You Gentiles refuse to comprehend that the true history of you, an Albinos = white people. You are not from Europe, you are from the Black Sea and Caspian Sea-Mountains; In the Bible you are the children Japheth, Genesis 10:1-5. And Europe was founded by our black Ancestors (Israelites Jews or Hebrews are the children of Shem and Abraham, Isaac and Jacob: The children of Ham and Shem are blood brothers; Ham fathered his Black son Mizraim = (Kemet) are the Egyptians: Again, Shem and Ham are black, blood brothers: Ham also fathered the Ethiopia, Lybians, Phut, Canaanites) who were all black people, kept a relationship, by marriage with the original Black Ancient Greeks. Many of the Africans migrated to the Iberian Peninsula, which is the original name before it was called EUROPE; they were the true builders of Europe. And the name Euro is an African Queen, who was brought to Europe, but before they called it: It was called the Iberian Peninsula. This is another Hidden History of white supremacy, who is threatening and inferior to Black History. The Black people brought math, reading, architect, music & instruments, arts, poetry and the science: They use it to build Spain, France, Italy-Rome and Portugal cities, even the Ireland, Wales, Britain and England. The First Kings of these cities where black men, noble families and black knights: Where did you think the term = Black Night come from. You do not see these portraits of them in the false, history books because they whitewash the paintings throughout Europe. We have the King James Bible that is the direct evidence of who God Chosen people are black, and God has only given them the knowledge and understanding of God’s dark secret and parable only. We have all the old, historical references of the original founders, and builders of the original European. The problem is that the white Prejudice, pale face men, refuses to release the bulk of Black historical documents, of Black noble Kings, Court nobility, Royal families of Black people who ruled Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Portugal, England, and Great Britain from 100 A.D. To 1698, but the most High Majesty Black King James from the tribe of Judah ruled England, Ireland and Great Britain 1603 – 1625. Only uneducated, unlearned white young, millennials, do there cursing, blasphemy of God, does not understand; God has chosen black people only: And same thing with the white Albinos Daddy’s when they did come into Europe unlearned in reading and writing, uneducated of their Hygiene’s, while they allowed all their outside, wild animals to sleep in their houses."
It is pretty odd and different that plenty of pale skinned people go all over with their domesticated animals and have them in their houses in unclean ways, but some of it to me is charming and indigenous to our people (even if I don't like animal hair and saliva all over the place, personally). It can also be pretty disturbing that many pale-skinned people can have highly questionable hygiene. And it's certainly not a point of pride that white people with power often sat around in their castles fucking their own close relatives, enslaving their townspeople and envying the true powers of romanticized versions of exotic people who had their own advanced forms of math, science, art and civilization.
But then there is this highly alarmist perspective that becomes totally unreadable to me:
Actually, THEY ARE gentiles.. heathens.. pagans and imposters. The 12 tribes are of ONE nation, ONE people, the SAME nation.. and there is NO "-ish" attached to the TRUE children of Israel. "-ish" meaning "jew-like" ...:confused::unamused::unamused:
Notice that THEY love constantly repeating "we're jewish.. we're jewish.." WITH NO reverence, no respect nor praise whatsoever for The Most High GOD of Israel or of The Messiah!!!!! THEY ARE those which SAY they are 'jews'.. and are not.. of Revelations 2:9 & 3:9..
They've been pretending for awhile now.. WHY do you think they stay SO "close" to so-called Negros?
It IS they who boasted to Yahshua that they had been the bondage of NO man in the new testament.., but HOW could that be?? Israel AND Judah had the wrath of GOD poured out onto them for their disobedience; suffering several captivities.. oppressions.. and atrocities... Did they "forget"??!.. Deuteronomy 28: 15-68? THIS IS WHY they want NO comparisons of them and the plight of the so-called "african-americans" ..or our innumerable atrocities, oppressions AND captivities suffered.. why, in the 1800s, the vicious acts against Negros were ALSO labelled pogroms.. Question: WHO are these mystery people YAH prophesied would remember themselves and their GOD, in the land of their captivity????????? The "jews" SAY they KNOW who they are.. plus they are in fact already occupying the Holyland since before 1948.. Biblical prophecy says that gentiles would be stomping down the holyland in the end times, which they ARE; because ESAU IS the end of the world and JACOB IS that which comes after.. The TRUE children of Israel ARE identified by their condition. Have they even read the bible that they corrupted??? True Israel IS the tail and NOT the head!!! they would be known as a rebuke, a reproach, a byword.. The ashkenaz SAY they are made 'jews' through their MOTHER!??.. IS that SCRIPTURE??? NO.
The Israelites, throughout both the old and new testaments trace their lineage by the patriarch, the FATHER!!!
The modern "hebrew" isn't even hebrew at all.. They HAD to invent a new, impure alphabet WITH vowels and marks because they are NOT the true descendants of Israel; THEY are an invention, like MOST of the LYING people groups of modernity.. "jew-ish" people are the cutthroat practitioners of usury, FACT.. ..
GOD's people? Hardly!
They ARE the serpent people of old who worship the Enemy through the talmud NOT the torah.. but rather the kabbalah and demonic occultic "rites"..
YOU refer to your children as 'KIDS' .. like ..as in GOATS! because of THEM; they're the SAME phallic worshipping weimar republic 2.0 khazar ashkenazi imposters who own ALL of your supposed "entertainment and so-called celebrities" ..
The same idolaters who perform idol worship aka davening/sex simulation allegedly with 'shekinah' up against fort antonia's wall; a lewd pelvic thrusting the khazars did LONG before occupying Israel ..
also, there IS a curse of the skin for SIN, biblically.. that of TRUE leprosy, being cast as white as snow.... NOT "black"! ..so much for that old 'curse of ham' aka black skin cursed nonsense... The definition has been altered to hide the TRUTH of leprosy, as well..
These people just are NOT the true inheritance of The Most High GOD and everyone on earth WILL know and see this TRUTH!!
Have YOU heard the GOOD news?
Blessings!
This seems to be a dismissive rant, and ignorant of a number of points we have established through many other opinions, some of them even conflicting. It conflates "jew" and gentile and "jew-ish" and ashkenazi and that doesn't seem to make sense. I thought we were trying to establish that Jews are a term that has been appropriated, but the original meaning is not given. We have established that Jewish is an English word that doesn't even claim to be anything but. We already know that many Ashkenazim have tried tracing their roots and they wind up going back from Europe to the Black and Caspian seas. This is totally separate from the true Hebrew tribes who have traced their ancestry to Judah and so on.
They also seem to have something against the Weimar Republic, which would position them in alignment with Nazis, which is an extremely racist position. This is followed by apparently an attempt to associate all pale people with the disease of leprosy.
On the other hand, they have a religious truth they are trying to say about what they think should be happening according to the Bible. I am not sure I can get on board with that, because I don't see the Bible as the word of God but the word of people, each of the writers trying hard to be something that has lost its original historical context.
It also seems problematic, then, to try to take the Bible's words as the sole evidence of anything at all. Yet, I guess my bias is showing up too much.
"Can you explain these verses that prove unquestionably that African Americans are not Hebrews/Yehudim/Israelites
Genesis 25 :20
And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah for his wife, the daughter of Bethuel the Aramean of Padan-Aram, the sister to Laban the Aramean.
Genesis 28:5
And Isaac sent away Jacob; and he went to Padan-Aram to Laban, son of Bethuel the Aramean, the brother of Rebekah, Jacob’s and Esau’s mother.
Deuteronomy 26:5
And you shall speak and say before the Lord your God, A wandering Aramean was my father, and he went down into Egypt, and sojourned there with a few, and became there a nation, great, mighty, and populous.
So i we see the patriarchs Abraham, Yitzhak and Yaakov were Aramean and Arameans are not black.
End of story .Your false narrative goes no further than these 3 verses."
"Arameans are not Black" might be a fact, but once more we have to look back at
who was writing
what makes a person fit a particular
label. If we can rely on the text, yes indeed it does seem that whomever is considered truly Aramean as we know them today might be considered not Black. Can we rely on this text? According to the response, it can be relied on but they cannot be considered truly Aramean:
"Go and study to understand and not to deceive.
It is pretty evident, from the text, that by a Syrian (Aramean) we are to understand Jacob, so called from his long residence in Syria with his father-in-law Laban. And his being ready to perish because hard usage and severe labour he had in Laban's service, by which, as his health was much impaired, so his life might have often been in imminent danger.
Jacob was called that because he lived with Laban 20 years to secure his wife Rachel. Jacob is the grandson of Abraham the patriarch of the Hebrew israelite nation. He was not a blood born Syrian (Aramean). So take your unlearned imposter ass and get lost."
Back to the DNA tests:
"It makes sense when Jews Ashkenazi Jews do a DNA test Europe is highlighted not Israel"
"the Hebrews were black including Jesus when Jews from Israel do a DNA Israel isn’t highlighted cause they are not from there they are European There from line of Japheth not Shem .Shem is black"
Now, this is curious. Japheth is supposed to have been the Hebrew patriarch that led to the creation of Scandinavia (also known as the pale frost-bitten lepers that sleep with barn animals). However, Shem was supposed to have created Assyrians, and Assyrians today are characterized by olive skin and dark hair, not Black African features. Although there has been a lot of wonderful mixing taking place, it seems questionable to say for certain that Shem looked so different from his soul brother Japheth.
"Genesis 10:1-5
10 This is the account of Noah’s sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, and their descendants. Shem, Ham and Japheth had children after the flood.
2 Japheth’s descendants were
Gomer, Magog, Madai, Javan, Tubal, Meshech, and Tiras.
3 Gomer’s descendants were
Ashkenaz , Riphath, and Togarmah.
4 Javan’s descendants were
the people from Elishah, Tarshish, Cyprus, and Rhodes.[a]
5 From these descendants the people of the coastlands spread into their own countries. Each nation had its own language and families.
Ashkenaz descended from Japheth, NOT Shem..."
At last! Here is the first re-confirmed clue we have so far encountered, even if it's just a wild claim, even if it's just a racist or fanatical perspective, that Ashkenazim are
related to Hebrews and/or Israelites of the original tribes. If this is true, however, it would require us to figure out how the Black-Caspian Sea ancient Georgian version ended up there when they are also supposed to have
quite early on created Scandinavia. Perhaps if these origin stories can be collected and sorted we might be able to compare the possibilities. Could it be that Japheth aspired East, Gomer settled in or rose out of the ancient Georgian area, and his son (Ashkenaz) is the one that went to the far North of Europe?
Well, then, moving on:
"song of solomon 1 king james version
The Bride
5 (
https://biblehub.com/songs/1-5.htm)I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon.
6 (
https://biblehub.com/songs/1-6.htm)Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept.
the bride is literally describing how her skin has darkened in the sun from her much different and lighter complexion.
now.. which race of people get noticeably darker in the sun from there normal light complexion? white/olive skinned people. my whole family gets super dark in the sun easily. so do judean and other white people in the middle east.
why would she describe her self as dark in the sun if she was already black/dark by default? makes no logical sense. you can’t refute this.
the egyptians even depicted them as caucasoid, olive skinned middle eastern people.
never did they look sub saharan west african. even if they had dark skin, a lot of middle easterns do, but they don't look negroid like the fake people trying to claim being israelites cuz they have no history lol"
"Exactly! Real Jews are white and the Egyptian hieroglyphs show them as having red hair and white skin much lighter than the Egyptians and enslaving them...Thus, the many Egyptians and other enslaved people by the Egyptians left with Moses and became part of the Jewish people were probably darker, in addition Jews took wives from the land of Israel which had a darker people than they did because. Jews came from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who wives were all cousins Abraham All part of That Family ...
In fact the Arabs who claim to descend from Ishmael, if that is true ishmael's mother was Egyptian Black, therefore Arabs would be much darker than Jews"
I am not sure if I can follow this line of logic yet but it's probably just the confusing YouTube comment style of grammar. It seems they are saying Jews are red-haired like some Tartar and/or like some Celtic people (another nod to the Celtic connection which we shall still delay returning to yet). It also seems to be that Jews wed darker skinned people who were Egyptian and darker.
Then, out of nowhere, a tidbit about Black Egyptians! If Ishmael, patriarch of Arabic culture, is quarter Black, then Arabs will be darker than the white-Egyptian intermarried Jew people.
Speaking of this, let's return to the color of Berber people. For some reason.
"no Berber was black, you have had only White, Olive, brown, dark brown skinned Berbers"
"Almoravids enslaved black people and brought them to Iberia"
This seems to be an explanation for the movement of black people from Morocco (then "hosting" a Berber Muslim dynasty) to southern Spain.
And meanwhile, more interesting distinctions are attempted about various Berber populations:
"Maghrebis are quasi Arabized Berbers. I've seen Arab erasure of Berber unique identity and it's disgusting. I wish Berbers totally revived Amazigh and their way of life, but Dajari and such are already very influenced by Berber language and not understood by other Arabs."
And then another legacy, as written by modern science followers:
"Let me educate you
The first inhabitants of North Africa, the Iberomaurusians(mtdna u6 and Y E-M35) were archaic cro magnon people who migrated into the territory more than 30 000 years ago from the near east "back" into Africa.
Cro Magnon type skulls, called Mechtoid skulls are found over North Africa.
Multiple studies confirm that the Cro-Magnon (Mechta) population had been living in North Africa for a very long time. According to genetic research published in 2010, part of the modern population displays a genetic marker that is characteristic of a transition from Cro-Magnon (Mechta) type to the Mediterranean type, and is restricted to North Africa. This suggests that an expansion of the Mediterranean group took place in North Africa around 10,500 years ago and spread to neighboring populations. What anthropological studies of prehistoric peoples demonstrate is that the Cro-Magnon (Mechta)-type people were the sole inhabitants of the Mediterranean and North Africa regions, including the Canary Islands, prior to 10,500 years ago. According to Kefi et al. 2005, study about the Taforalt population more than 12,000 yrs ago) the populations had a Cro-magnon-like morphology (Mechtoids) and likely a cultural link with Iberia (Ibero-maurusian culture/Oranian culture) Lakeside Cemeteries in the Sahara: 5000 Years of Holocene Population and Environmental Change. DNA studies of the Taforalt population that is the closest to the Kiffians on the chart (WMC)shows no Sub Saharan Mt DNA in it, just Eurasian specific lineages H, U, JT, V (90.5%) and North African specific U6.
The majority of the Mechtoid DNA is haplogroup U and U6, along with H, with haplogroup U making up 33% of the Mechtoid genome, with Haplogroup H making up a total of 22% of the Mechtoid genome. And Iberomaurusian fossils excavated at the Ifri'N Ammar site carrying Haplogroup U6, which was displayed at a frequency occurrence of 50% of their genome. Haplogroup U6 emerged 35,000KYA, which is genetically and archaeological consistent with back-to-Africa migration from a Eurasian population that predated the Holocene (12,000YA).
Population expansion in the North African Late Pleistocene signalled by mitochondrial DNA haplogroup U6
“The most probable origin of the proto-U6 lineage was the Near East. Around 30,000 years ago it spread to North Africa where it represents a signature of regional continuity… Attested presence of Caucasian people in northern Africa goes up to Paleolithic times… Linguistic research suggests that the Afroasiatic phylum of languages could have originated and extended with these Caucasians... " (“Mitochondrial DNA transit between West Asia and North Africa inferred from U6 phylogeography” Nicole Maca-Meyer, Ana M González, José Pestano, Carlos Flores, José M Larruga, Vicente M Cabrera; 2003) North Africans cluster= components(part of our DNA) with people outside of Africa rather than with people below the Sahara. Genetic evidence supports a Eurasian back migration into North Africa ~30,000 BP. Both Europeans and North Africans came out of the Levant about 40-45,000 years ago. The North African ‘Cro Magnids’ differed slightly from their European cousins, with a lower sloping forehead and heavier brows.
I just want to interrupt here to state that these slight differences both describe stunningly beautiful human beings. Lower sloping foreheads and heavy brows, higher foreheads and more unpronounced brows. All of this says to me that different people have been truly lovely for tens of thousands of years, and if we went back in time we could easily fall in love with the sheer beauty of our ancient ancestors.
In case the term "BP" is confusing, don't be alarmed. It's apparently just a supremacist reference to the fake propaganda event called "atomic bomb age" semi-arbitrarily chosen as January 1, 1950. And it basically means subtracting about as many years from any date to find the "Year 0" of the also arguably supremacist Gregorian Christian date. Sheesh. Sorry about that. It helps to have references though.
The Iberomaurusian is mostly restricted to the Maghreb ~20,000 years ago. Iberomaurusian gave rise to the Capsian and Capsian is Berber. Capsians are descendants of Iberomaurusians who were the first mediterranean people ever lived in Northern Africa at least 45,000 years BP.
Capsians were Proto-Berbers/Imazighen partly derived from the natufians in the neolithic. The Capsian people were descendants of the first agriculturalist/pastoralists that moved out of the levant area, with a more ancient ancestry from the earlier ‘Mechtoid’ people, who seem to have migrated into North Africa from Eurasia about 30,000 years ago. Their skulls are described as generally being ‘proto-Mediteranean’, with gracile bones. They are the ancestors of modern Berbers, whose DNA shows a continuity of about 30,000 years in North Africa.
The Fregel 2017 paper showed that the Cardial Ware Folks were EEF, while the Capsian HG were E-L19 → M81 proto-Berber. Capsians were E-L19 → M81 proto-Berber. traditionally classed into two variegate types: Proto-Mediterranean and Mechta-Afalou on the basis of cranial morphology
Berbers are the indigenous people of North Africa, meaning derived from a population which entered north africa in the paleolithics from cro magnon type humans (mtdna u6) ."
"Long before the existence of modern day identities/ethnicities [...] North African populations are distinct from sub-Saharan Africans based on cultural, linguistic, and phenotypic attributes
Genomic Ancestry of North Africans Supports Back-to-Africa Migrations.
“The indigenous North African ancestry may have been more common in Berber populations and appears most closely related to populations outside of Africa, but divergence between Maghrebi peoples and Near Eastern/Europeans likely precedes the Holocene (>12,000 ya)”
Neolithization of North Africa involved the migration of people from both the Levant and Europe'
Among ancient populations, early Neolithic Moroccans share affinities with Levantine Natufian hunter-gatherers (~9,000 BCE) and Pre-Pottery Neolithic farmers (~6,500 BCE). Late Neolithic (~3,000 BCE) Moroccan remains, in comparison, share an Iberian component of a prominent European-wide demic expansion, supporting theories of trans-Gibraltar gene flow. Finally, the Andalusian Early Neolithic samples share the same genetic composition as the Cardial Mediterranean Neolithic culture that reached Iberia ~5,500 BCE. The cultural and genetic similarities of the Iberian Neolithic cultures with that of North African Neolithic sites further reinforce the model of an Iberian intrusion into the Maghreb
The Berber component(part of DNA) clusters with people outside of Africa rather than with people below the Sahara.
Indigenous North Africans carry the same amount of neanderthal admixture as west Asians as europeans and its NOT due to recent near eastern or european migrations.
North African Populations Carry the Signature of Admixture with Neandertals
. North African populations have a significant excess of derived alleles shared with Neandertals, when compared to sub-Saharan Africans. This excess is similar to that found in non-African humans, a fact that can be interpreted as a sign of Neandertal admixture. Furthermore, the Neandertal's genetic signal is higher in populations with a local, pre-Neolithic North African ancestry. Therefore, the detected ancient admixture is not due to recent Near Eastern or European migrations. Sub-Saharan populations are the only ones not affected by the admixture event with Neandertals”
North African Populations Carry the Signature of Admixture with Neandertals
“Compared to other nearby populations, Tunisians appear to be genetically related to Western Mediterranean population, in particular North Africans and Berbers. In conclusion, HLA genotype results indicate that Tunisians are related to present-day North Africans, Berbers and to Iberians, but not to Eastern Arabs (Palestinians, Jordanians and Lebanese). This suggests that the genetic contribution of Arab invasion of 7th-11th century A.D. had little impact of the North African gene pool."
HLA Class I and Class II Alleles and Haplotypes Confirm the Berber Origin of the Present Day Tunisian Population.
Africa is a huge continent with a variety of climates, peoples/ethnicities same as Asia.
Africa its not an ethnostate and never has been same as Asia. North Africa might be part of africa in terms of physical geography but its history is mostly tied with Europe and the middle east.
Long before the existence of modern day identities/ethnicities."
To sort of overly summarize, we can say we're establishing a few more new points with this last (long) YouTube comment.
Tunisians are related to Berbers, which makes them related to "Far East" people compared with "Near East" Arabs.
Eastern Arabs are distinct from Berbers and are indigenous to Arabic lands. Arabic people are related to Palestinians, Jordanians and Lebanese.
The Levant was populated by people of West African, Moroccan and Arab descent as well as increasingly over time some from Gibraltar (European and hence Neanderthal).
Arabs are this type of people, too, and so are any Semites.
This seems to be saying that Arabs and ancient Israelites are African and European mixed people, and have historically been in North Africa for a long time, covering even the relatively recent (5000-2500 BC) period of the Pyramid building cultures of North Africa.
Due to the idea that Arabic Tartar mixed people showed up when Tartars emerged from Turkish areas, this tells me that Tartars may be "Far East" people from Turkey or beyond, from the truly far East. I am eager to explore this! Could the Jews considered "outside" the Semitic tribes be those who intermarried with mixed Turkish people? Could this be the source of Ashkenazim when they arrived in far Northern Europe?